The 29-year-old pop superstar opened up about the the decade-long drama, referencing the rapper’s slight at the 2009 VMAs and the infamous phone call claiming Swift agreed to his lyrics in “Famous” calling her a “bitch”.
“I realized he is so two-faced. That he wants to be nice to me behind the scenes, but then he wants to look cool, get up in front of everyone and talk shit. And I was so upset,’ the “Me” singer confessed.
The bad blood between the two began when West interrupted Swift while she was accepting her Best Female Video at the 2009 VMAs. “Yo, Taylor, I’m really happy for you. I’mma let you finish, but Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time!” West shouted in protest to Swift’s win.
West apologized and their relationship seemed to be on a better path for a brief while, according to Swift.
“I started to feel like we reconnected, which felt great for me — because all I ever wanted my whole career after that thing happened in 2009 was for him to respect me.”
“And so we’d go to dinner and stuff. And I was so happy, because he would say really nice things about my music. It just felt like I was healing some childhood rejection or something from when I was 19,” she added.
The two stars made efforts to reconcile in the years that followed, leading up to the 2015 VMAs, where Swift presented West with the Vanguard award—a public olive branch in the place where it all began six years before.
Swift claims that, though she has no proof (“I didn’t illegally record it, so I can’t play it for you”), West called to personally ask her to present him with the award. She was blindsided when he got on stage to accept and shouted, “You know how many times they announced Taylor was going to give me the award ‘cause it got them more ratings?”
As she was standing in the audience, arm-in-arm with Kim Kardashian-West, she says she realized, “he is so two-faced. That he wants to be nice to me behind the scenes, but then he wants to look cool, get up in front of everyone and talk shit.”
For Swift, the release of “Famous” the following spring was simply the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Swift and Hiatt cover a lot of ground in the remainder of the interview. Though she describes their conversation as “the best therapy session,” it reads like Swift’s way of finally taking the narrative into her own hands, a far-cry from the Reputation days, during which she begged to be excluded from it.
Read more of the interview with Taylor Swift and Rolling Stone.